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		<title>By: Michaela</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michaela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2012 04:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi everyone.

I don’t know what to say exactly. I think this depend on situation. If nature called in both, then why not. .This is an attraction feeling. It’s actually no waiting period for this. Definitely cannot be just from one side, other side supposed to   be ready too. If this happens very soon then the close relationship started immediately. Why do we have to waste of time? I am just kidding. Nothing wrong with sooner sex   if this is an appropriate and acceptable from both sides. And love started with understandings, trust, respect, care and you name it...Sometimes we live with a person for many years but still don’t know this person exactly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone.</p>
<p>I don’t know what to say exactly. I think this depend on situation. If nature called in both, then why not. .This is an attraction feeling. It’s actually no waiting period for this. Definitely cannot be just from one side, other side supposed to   be ready too. If this happens very soon then the close relationship started immediately. Why do we have to waste of time? I am just kidding. Nothing wrong with sooner sex   if this is an appropriate and acceptable from both sides. And love started with understandings, trust, respect, care and you name it&#8230;Sometimes we live with a person for many years but still don’t know this person exactly.</p>
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		<title>By: Pancakes</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pancakes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Sep 2012 17:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three comments:

1.  She&#039;s just not that into you.  

2.  As a woman, the idea of being &quot;typed&quot; according to whether I&#039;ll put out early is kind of insulting.  (I understand that&#039;s not purely what you&#039;re &quot;typing&quot; these women as, but you&#039;re still typing me and it&#039;s objectifying, Mark.)

3.  Nobody is &quot;punishing&quot; you.  You&#039;re not a victim; you&#039;re a capable writer at one of the biggest-grossing personals website in the world, and you are a man of free agency.  

I&#039;ve heard that &quot;don&#039;t punish me for other mens&#039; actions&quot; a million and one times.  Boo hoo!  That&#039;s just an excuse for wanting to get in my pants.  At 38, I know what feels safe and comfortable and what works for me and what doesn&#039;t.  I&#039;m not &quot;punishing&quot; you; I&#039;m respecting myself.  This isn&#039;t about you; get over yourself.  (And that message goes out to all men who use that excuse, not just you Mark.)


The simple truth is, if women felt respected by men in general, they&#039;d &quot;put out&quot; a lot sooner.  I like sex, but I also like feeling wanted.  I like pancakes in the morning and lunch in the afternoon.  I like non-food-related accoutrements as well.  But in essence, don&#039;t just act like you like me when you want some, and then talk about how &quot;busy&quot; you&#039;re going to be over the next couple of weeks after you&#039;ve gotten it (and no it&#039;s not because I&#039;m bad in bed because I&#039;m damn good in bed.)

Man up.  Respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three comments:</p>
<p>1.  She&#8217;s just not that into you.  </p>
<p>2.  As a woman, the idea of being &#8220;typed&#8221; according to whether I&#8217;ll put out early is kind of insulting.  (I understand that&#8217;s not purely what you&#8217;re &#8220;typing&#8221; these women as, but you&#8217;re still typing me and it&#8217;s objectifying, Mark.)</p>
<p>3.  Nobody is &#8220;punishing&#8221; you.  You&#8217;re not a victim; you&#8217;re a capable writer at one of the biggest-grossing personals website in the world, and you are a man of free agency.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve heard that &#8220;don&#8217;t punish me for other mens&#8217; actions&#8221; a million and one times.  Boo hoo!  That&#8217;s just an excuse for wanting to get in my pants.  At 38, I know what feels safe and comfortable and what works for me and what doesn&#8217;t.  I&#8217;m not &#8220;punishing&#8221; you; I&#8217;m respecting myself.  This isn&#8217;t about you; get over yourself.  (And that message goes out to all men who use that excuse, not just you Mark.)</p>
<p>The simple truth is, if women felt respected by men in general, they&#8217;d &#8220;put out&#8221; a lot sooner.  I like sex, but I also like feeling wanted.  I like pancakes in the morning and lunch in the afternoon.  I like non-food-related accoutrements as well.  But in essence, don&#8217;t just act like you like me when you want some, and then talk about how &#8220;busy&#8221; you&#8217;re going to be over the next couple of weeks after you&#8217;ve gotten it (and no it&#8217;s not because I&#8217;m bad in bed because I&#8217;m damn good in bed.)</p>
<p>Man up.  Respect.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Sep 2012 17:17:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take it from someone older, if not wiser: She or They are just not that into you.  That&#039;s completely an excuse.  Three dates or three months?  At almost 60 years of age, it seems to me it if there&#039;s chemistry and interest it should fall somewhere in between and if there&#039;s not, you&#039;ll know it.  Also, what happened to developing intimacy and the various steps in between?  Do people go from a handshake or a kiss on the cheek to going to bed?  Isn&#039;t there something to be gained from building passion and desire by going from what we used to call 1st base, 2nd and so on, and using that to assess sexual compatibility and gauging expectations?  

You know what friendship leads to?  Hearing about the other people they&#039;re into and dating.  Read the handwriting on the wall and Move on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take it from someone older, if not wiser: She or They are just not that into you.  That&#8217;s completely an excuse.  Three dates or three months?  At almost 60 years of age, it seems to me it if there&#8217;s chemistry and interest it should fall somewhere in between and if there&#8217;s not, you&#8217;ll know it.  Also, what happened to developing intimacy and the various steps in between?  Do people go from a handshake or a kiss on the cheek to going to bed?  Isn&#8217;t there something to be gained from building passion and desire by going from what we used to call 1st base, 2nd and so on, and using that to assess sexual compatibility and gauging expectations?  </p>
<p>You know what friendship leads to?  Hearing about the other people they&#8217;re into and dating.  Read the handwriting on the wall and Move on!</p>
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		<title>By: David L</title>
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		<dc:creator>David L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2012 03:59:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the things sex early on &quot;doesn&#039;t ruin&quot; is a &quot;relationship&quot; ... in other words, you and the other person weren&#039;t going to be in one anyhow.  

A set of &quot;rules&quot; ... the other person may also be relieved ... or ... they may see this as disinterest or uptightness, a low sex drive, a lack of attraction, or even of their own failure.  The result of course ... everyone&#039;s confused... and things often end far too early.

Without doubt, there&#039;s an elephant in the room ... so ... use your instincts and keep your guard up ... slow down off back off when things don&#039;t feel right ...  be yourself and who you really are when they dock ... and be ready ... ... for some who aren&#039;t right for you ... some where you aren&#039;t right for them ... and some where you&#039;re both right for each other.

I wish you all ... dates you can be yourself with ... fun (and some good sex) along the way ... and that you find the person you&#039;re looking for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the things sex early on &#8220;doesn&#8217;t ruin&#8221; is a &#8220;relationship&#8221; &#8230; in other words, you and the other person weren&#8217;t going to be in one anyhow.  </p>
<p>A set of &#8220;rules&#8221; &#8230; the other person may also be relieved &#8230; or &#8230; they may see this as disinterest or uptightness, a low sex drive, a lack of attraction, or even of their own failure.  The result of course &#8230; everyone&#8217;s confused&#8230; and things often end far too early.</p>
<p>Without doubt, there&#8217;s an elephant in the room &#8230; so &#8230; use your instincts and keep your guard up &#8230; slow down off back off when things don&#8217;t feel right &#8230;  be yourself and who you really are when they dock &#8230; and be ready &#8230; &#8230; for some who aren&#8217;t right for you &#8230; some where you aren&#8217;t right for them &#8230; and some where you&#8217;re both right for each other.</p>
<p>I wish you all &#8230; dates you can be yourself with &#8230; fun (and some good sex) along the way &#8230; and that you find the person you&#8217;re looking for.</p>
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		<title>By: Nichole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nichole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 31 Aug 2012 01:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Rob. When women have sex too early on in a relationship, they&#039;ll almost always regret it. Oxytocin is only doing its job. Rules were given to us for a reason and we&#039;re only now seeing the science behind those rules showing why they were given.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Rob. When women have sex too early on in a relationship, they&#8217;ll almost always regret it. Oxytocin is only doing its job. Rules were given to us for a reason and we&#8217;re only now seeing the science behind those rules showing why they were given.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 21:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mark

My philosophy on all this is that it&#039;s not black and white and each situation is different.

I feel that as we fall in love with ourselves, which is really the ultimate prequisite to any healthy relationship, you learn to strike the right balance.

First and foremost for me, I am on the journey I just mentioned above; falling in love with myself.  From there I know everything is possible and I can have cirque de soleil, passionate lovemaking on one first date and coffee on another.  My only rule these days is there are no rules.

Happy hunting!

All this means is that you&#039;ve been passing up good for great.  It&#039;s on its way!

M</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark</p>
<p>My philosophy on all this is that it&#8217;s not black and white and each situation is different.</p>
<p>I feel that as we fall in love with ourselves, which is really the ultimate prequisite to any healthy relationship, you learn to strike the right balance.</p>
<p>First and foremost for me, I am on the journey I just mentioned above; falling in love with myself.  From there I know everything is possible and I can have cirque de soleil, passionate lovemaking on one first date and coffee on another.  My only rule these days is there are no rules.</p>
<p>Happy hunting!</p>
<p>All this means is that you&#8217;ve been passing up good for great.  It&#8217;s on its way!</p>
<p>M</p>
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		<title>By: Ren</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2012 15:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like you to consider that if a relationship was mean to work, it will, and whatever happens sexually is a second matter. If a guy is only interested in a woman for sex, it will probably be short lived, and he&#039;ll either get what he wants for a while, or he&#039;ll move on.

I had sex with my ex-wife on our first date. It lasted more than 14 years and we had 3 great kids. I&#039;m a very sexual person, and it&#039;s important to me, but the real connection between a man and a woman is heart to heart. Either that will be established or it won&#039;t, and both parties need to keep up their antennae to see if it&#039;s happening. 

Now, I won&#039;t disagree that getting too sexual too early can derail a relationship if things get weird because of differing expectations, or that the woman feels too vulnerable or clingy as a result of having sex before trust was being developed. If sex and trust grow at a similar pace, I think the relationship has a chance of growing. If the guy is really interested in something long term, he&#039;ll do things to build it. 

If a woman is really aware, I think she can tell when someone cares more about her and how she is, vs. getting between her legs. However, we do all fool ourselves at times, and fail to really see what&#039;s happening, for the hope that it&#039;s real. 

Of course, the final problem is that it surely seems that good guys finish last - men who are really nice often lose out and bad boys win. I&#039;ve dated a few women who liked it more when I didn&#039;t pay too much attention. Guys, if you ever read some of the David DeAngelo work, he addresses that. Weird phenomenon!

And then there&#039;s the female book readers of those &quot;Date like a man&quot; books I see on occasional night tables....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like you to consider that if a relationship was mean to work, it will, and whatever happens sexually is a second matter. If a guy is only interested in a woman for sex, it will probably be short lived, and he&#8217;ll either get what he wants for a while, or he&#8217;ll move on.</p>
<p>I had sex with my ex-wife on our first date. It lasted more than 14 years and we had 3 great kids. I&#8217;m a very sexual person, and it&#8217;s important to me, but the real connection between a man and a woman is heart to heart. Either that will be established or it won&#8217;t, and both parties need to keep up their antennae to see if it&#8217;s happening. </p>
<p>Now, I won&#8217;t disagree that getting too sexual too early can derail a relationship if things get weird because of differing expectations, or that the woman feels too vulnerable or clingy as a result of having sex before trust was being developed. If sex and trust grow at a similar pace, I think the relationship has a chance of growing. If the guy is really interested in something long term, he&#8217;ll do things to build it. </p>
<p>If a woman is really aware, I think she can tell when someone cares more about her and how she is, vs. getting between her legs. However, we do all fool ourselves at times, and fail to really see what&#8217;s happening, for the hope that it&#8217;s real. </p>
<p>Of course, the final problem is that it surely seems that good guys finish last &#8211; men who are really nice often lose out and bad boys win. I&#8217;ve dated a few women who liked it more when I didn&#8217;t pay too much attention. Guys, if you ever read some of the David DeAngelo work, he addresses that. Weird phenomenon!</p>
<p>And then there&#8217;s the female book readers of those &#8220;Date like a man&#8221; books I see on occasional night tables&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 13:12:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Women set the pace and write the rules.  It is what it is.  If you don&#039;t like the rules she sets, move on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Women set the pace and write the rules.  It is what it is.  If you don&#8217;t like the rules she sets, move on.</p>
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		<title>By: mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 19:06:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting piece / article.  We can all relate, and a lil humor also asa Mark made himself out to be the victim.  I feel you, Mark.  In hindsight, intimacy early on may not be a good thing and both genders (but esp. females) may have some regret later on.  Friendship can make passion / physicality grow, but it can also &quot;kill it.&quot;  Men think differently; most of us will not turn down sex if offered, assuming we&#039;re attracted to her...even if our brians tell us &quot;no&quot; (we should wait).  But sex is one avenue of bonding in a relationship, and women (especially!) remind us that is a key ingredient in making IT work...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting piece / article.  We can all relate, and a lil humor also asa Mark made himself out to be the victim.  I feel you, Mark.  In hindsight, intimacy early on may not be a good thing and both genders (but esp. females) may have some regret later on.  Friendship can make passion / physicality grow, but it can also &#8220;kill it.&#8221;  Men think differently; most of us will not turn down sex if offered, assuming we&#8217;re attracted to her&#8230;even if our brians tell us &#8220;no&#8221; (we should wait).  But sex is one avenue of bonding in a relationship, and women (especially!) remind us that is a key ingredient in making IT work&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bobbe</title>
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		<dc:creator>bobbe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Aug 2012 14:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FRIENDS FIRST SEX LATER. UNLESS YOU WANT A ROLL IN THE HAY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FRIENDS FIRST SEX LATER. UNLESS YOU WANT A ROLL IN THE HAY.</p>
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