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		<title>By: Charles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Mar 2013 06:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oy! Ladies and gentlemen! Sex outside of marriage is sin, absolutely!

What does the Torah say?

And if a man entice a virgin that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely pay a dowry for her to be his wife.
- Shemot (Exodus) 22:15, JPS Tanakh

If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, and lay wanton charges against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say: &#039;I took this woman, and when I came nigh to her, I found not in her the tokens of virginity&#039;; ... if this thing be true, that the tokens of virginity were not found in the damsel; hen they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father&#039;s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die; because she hath wrought a wanton deed in Israel, to play the harlot in her father&#039;s house; so shalt thou put away the evil from the midst of thee.
- Devarim (Deuteronomy) 22:13,20-21, JPS Tanakh

If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, that is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel&#039;s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he hath humbled her; he may not put her away all his days.
- Devarim (Deuteronomy) 22:28-29, JPS Tanakh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oy! Ladies and gentlemen! Sex outside of marriage is sin, absolutely!</p>
<p>What does the Torah say?</p>
<p>And if a man entice a virgin that is not betrothed, and lie with her, he shall surely pay a dowry for her to be his wife.<br />
- Shemot (Exodus) 22:15, JPS Tanakh</p>
<p>If any man take a wife, and go in unto her, and hate her, and lay wanton charges against her, and bring up an evil name upon her, and say: &#8216;I took this woman, and when I came nigh to her, I found not in her the tokens of virginity&#8217;; &#8230; if this thing be true, that the tokens of virginity were not found in the damsel; hen they shall bring out the damsel to the door of her father&#8217;s house, and the men of her city shall stone her with stones that she die; because she hath wrought a wanton deed in Israel, to play the harlot in her father&#8217;s house; so shalt thou put away the evil from the midst of thee.<br />
- Devarim (Deuteronomy) 22:13,20-21, JPS Tanakh</p>
<p>If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, that is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found; then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel&#8217;s father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife, because he hath humbled her; he may not put her away all his days.<br />
- Devarim (Deuteronomy) 22:28-29, JPS Tanakh</p>
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		<title>By: Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Mar 2013 20:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sin or not...
As a man, I would not marry a woman unless I slept with her! 
How can you commit to a lifelong relationship without knowing that one of the most important aspects of the relationship works for both of you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sin or not&#8230;<br />
As a man, I would not marry a woman unless I slept with her!<br />
How can you commit to a lifelong relationship without knowing that one of the most important aspects of the relationship works for both of you?</p>
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		<title>By: Kayleigh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kayleigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Mar 2013 08:57:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fornication is sin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fornication is sin.</p>
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		<title>By: justme&#38;notyou</title>
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		<dc:creator>justme&#38;notyou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2013 22:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its been a few years since someone has made a public declaration such as Rabbi Singer has without any sources.  In the past this has been done by the Prophets, but only a couple of hundred years ago there was an individual that did this too, named Shabti Tsvi.  He said he was the messiah and everyone must listen to him as his ways were right and everyone else was wrong.  He also did not show any sources for any of his declarations.  Perhaps Rabbi Singer is a follower of Shabti Tsvi?   Oh, at the end of Shabti Tsvi&#039;s life he converted to becoming a Moslem.

There are a great many Orthodox sages that have written extensively on this subject, and one of the greats from about 300 years ago and is respected by most every Orthodox Rabbi Is Rav Yonatan Eybeschutz.  He even wrote a &quot;document of partnership&quot; for couples that were not married.  This in itself shows that it is not so cut and dry as we may see. He also wrote extensively on Hilchot Pelegish (or laws for a Girlfriend). I could write name of so many Sages, but alas, my fingers have gotten tired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its been a few years since someone has made a public declaration such as Rabbi Singer has without any sources.  In the past this has been done by the Prophets, but only a couple of hundred years ago there was an individual that did this too, named Shabti Tsvi.  He said he was the messiah and everyone must listen to him as his ways were right and everyone else was wrong.  He also did not show any sources for any of his declarations.  Perhaps Rabbi Singer is a follower of Shabti Tsvi?   Oh, at the end of Shabti Tsvi&#8217;s life he converted to becoming a Moslem.</p>
<p>There are a great many Orthodox sages that have written extensively on this subject, and one of the greats from about 300 years ago and is respected by most every Orthodox Rabbi Is Rav Yonatan Eybeschutz.  He even wrote a &#8220;document of partnership&#8221; for couples that were not married.  This in itself shows that it is not so cut and dry as we may see. He also wrote extensively on Hilchot Pelegish (or laws for a Girlfriend). I could write name of so many Sages, but alas, my fingers have gotten tired.</p>
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		<title>By: amelia</title>
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		<dc:creator>amelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Mar 2013 04:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, I think sex before marriage is a sin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, I think sex before marriage is a sin</p>
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		<title>By: ben</title>
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		<dc:creator>ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Mar 2013 00:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the rabbi is wrong, he should clarify and make a distinction between virgins ( any ) and divorced.

For those who are virgins, it applies.

But for those divorced its a different story and as they are more mature and for sure have more experience. To that group of people their is free choice, because the situation is very different.

Once you get older u loose your innocence and therefore it is much harder to find your mate. So u might as well enjoy dating and experience the whole relationship thing from a to z and hoping that while doing so u simply stay in the relation cause u feel good.

thats my 2cents opinion ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the rabbi is wrong, he should clarify and make a distinction between virgins ( any ) and divorced.</p>
<p>For those who are virgins, it applies.</p>
<p>But for those divorced its a different story and as they are more mature and for sure have more experience. To that group of people their is free choice, because the situation is very different.</p>
<p>Once you get older u loose your innocence and therefore it is much harder to find your mate. So u might as well enjoy dating and experience the whole relationship thing from a to z and hoping that while doing so u simply stay in the relation cause u feel good.</p>
<p>thats my 2cents opinion <img src='http://www.jdate.com/jmag/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Confused dater</title>
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		<dc:creator>Confused dater</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Mar 2013 14:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok, if sex before marriage is a sin, I take it but I need some references where to find in in Torah. It cannot be sin and no sin in the same time. Depends who is answering the question. The real question is - where is the truth and how do we know it is the truth. I was told that Torah does not talk about  this issue, so is it a rabbinical no, no or does it really come from the commands of G-d? Where is the real truth? This is what I am looking for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, if sex before marriage is a sin, I take it but I need some references where to find in in Torah. It cannot be sin and no sin in the same time. Depends who is answering the question. The real question is &#8211; where is the truth and how do we know it is the truth. I was told that Torah does not talk about  this issue, so is it a rabbinical no, no or does it really come from the commands of G-d? Where is the real truth? This is what I am looking for.</p>
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		<title>By: AunaMary</title>
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		<dc:creator>AunaMary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 17:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe sex before marriage is beautiful and needed 
            i believe in getting close to the other sex always,sex  
    
 I dont believe in staying alone anymore for religion or any other 
 reason, i have been alone for eight years becuase of old believes,
 i am now reaching out to men, i want to have some sex and beautiful
 friendships on spirituality,honesty and no secrets.       
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                                               802-881-7810   
                                               802-497-2028 
                                               Burlingyon vt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe sex before marriage is beautiful and needed<br />
            i believe in getting close to the other sex always,sex  </p>
<p> I dont believe in staying alone anymore for religion or any other<br />
 reason, i have been alone for eight years becuase of old believes,<br />
 i am now reaching out to men, i want to have some sex and beautiful<br />
 friendships on spirituality,honesty and no secrets.<br />
                                            <a href="" rel="nofollow"><br />
                                               802-881-7810<br />
                                               802-497-2028<br />
                                               Burlingyon vt</a></p>
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		<title>By: sarah</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Mar 2013 03:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If sex before marriage is a sin then just about everybody is sinning.  God made us with our five human senses and senuality and sexuality is a strong part of us. God created us that way for the  purpose of procreation. Stories of physcial attraction have been around for centuries, such as Ruth and Boaz, Jacob and Racheal, Samson and Delilah, Queen ester . In ancient stories, it looks as though man wasn&#039;t even monagamous, such as King Soloman. I believe using people as objects is a sin. Non concentual sex is sinful.Mulitple partners is sinful, and child offending is sinful. But true love which leads to physical intimacty is not sinful&gt; It depends on the motivations of the heart and only God can be the judge of that. That is my opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If sex before marriage is a sin then just about everybody is sinning.  God made us with our five human senses and senuality and sexuality is a strong part of us. God created us that way for the  purpose of procreation. Stories of physcial attraction have been around for centuries, such as Ruth and Boaz, Jacob and Racheal, Samson and Delilah, Queen ester . In ancient stories, it looks as though man wasn&#8217;t even monagamous, such as King Soloman. I believe using people as objects is a sin. Non concentual sex is sinful.Mulitple partners is sinful, and child offending is sinful. But true love which leads to physical intimacty is not sinful&gt; It depends on the motivations of the heart and only God can be the judge of that. That is my opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephanie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephanie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Mar 2013 05:29:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, my answer may not be popular...  Some will say it&#039;s controversial, but as a Jewish woman who truly wants to please G-d and honor Him, I am saving sex for marriage.  Whether or not some ancient forefathers had sex within concubines is beside the point; sin and disobedience has been around since the Garden of Eden!  It doesn&#039;t change the fact that  G-d desires for sexual intimacy to be saved for after the chuppah!!! We are to become &quot;one flesh&quot; after the &quot;I do&#039;s&quot; are said. Please don&#039;t &quot;shoot the messenger&quot;(me!)....this is written in Scripture.  If we are Jews desiring Jewish partners, then perhaps we can also permit the Almighty Creator to guide the values within our relationships.  Believe me; He will reward our efforts to please Him.  I, for one, have met a wonderful man who respects celibacy outside the realm of marriage - and we both find one another incredibly attractive. Is &quot;saving ourselves&quot; easy?  No, not at all.  However, have we seen blessings come as a result of maintaining our purity?  Without a doubt.  We love and respect each other and yes!  We are seriously contemplating marriage.
Thanks for allowing me to share.  For the sake of my and my partner&#039;s valued privacy, I choose to remain anonymous.  HaShem knows who I am !!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, my answer may not be popular&#8230;  Some will say it&#8217;s controversial, but as a Jewish woman who truly wants to please G-d and honor Him, I am saving sex for marriage.  Whether or not some ancient forefathers had sex within concubines is beside the point; sin and disobedience has been around since the Garden of Eden!  It doesn&#8217;t change the fact that  G-d desires for sexual intimacy to be saved for after the chuppah!!! We are to become &#8220;one flesh&#8221; after the &#8220;I do&#8217;s&#8221; are said. Please don&#8217;t &#8220;shoot the messenger&#8221;(me!)&#8230;.this is written in Scripture.  If we are Jews desiring Jewish partners, then perhaps we can also permit the Almighty Creator to guide the values within our relationships.  Believe me; He will reward our efforts to please Him.  I, for one, have met a wonderful man who respects celibacy outside the realm of marriage &#8211; and we both find one another incredibly attractive. Is &#8220;saving ourselves&#8221; easy?  No, not at all.  However, have we seen blessings come as a result of maintaining our purity?  Without a doubt.  We love and respect each other and yes!  We are seriously contemplating marriage.<br />
Thanks for allowing me to share.  For the sake of my and my partner&#8217;s valued privacy, I choose to remain anonymous.  HaShem knows who I am !!!!!</p>
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